POST JUTLAND

AS VIEWED FROM THE DEBATES IN THE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT

With a showing of the first convened House , after the summer break of 1915.

Watch out for the repeated questions from the Member as to when the Jutland Report would be in the public domain. It went on for many years without satisfactory answers.  Some of the debates gathered here pre date the 1916 Jutland  and many post date it! The Parliament portfolio is about JUTLAND period.

 

Note in particular this debate:- November 1, 1920 – my No 11 entry.

“May I ask why it is that the Admiralty have gone back on their decision to publish the official report of this Battle of Jutland, which is a most important thing to have, and whether we cannot have…….and this approximately four and a half years after the terrible losses and deaths of and in our navy!

Time after time during this period up until the mid 1920’s, accusations by the general public pointed to believing Beatty and were certainly non-devotees of Jellicoe who in many minds had lost the battle and that the Royal Navy had sustained a severe bloody nose – see Times Archives!  Many politicians believed the same. What you see below is just a sample of comments made under the “safe” umbrella of Parliament. Understandably, expected and fitting, not one senior naval officer took sides and certainly non blamed Jellicoe, taking the party-line that the Royal Navy had sent Scheer and his ships packing, to “hide” for the rest of the war before facing ignominy at Scapa Flow after the surrender. Many questions were asked as to why Jellicoe, now the First Sea Lord at the Admiralty almost immediately after the Battle, and with all the necessary knowledge and clout  to expedite a report on Jutland, didn’t do so. His subsequent sacking on affairs totally unrelated to Jutland and its repercussions, must have caused tongues to wag around the country, and as the heat came on demanding a Jutland report, he was whisked off to New Zealand, almost as it were, out of the firing line!

Please take note of my No 12 entry below. Forty six pages like those under are recorded in Hansards!

1.

DENMARK AND GERMANY.

Lords — May 9, 1864

Do I understand that Jutland is not to be evacuated?

DISARMAMENT.

Viscount Wolmer

Commons — November 13, 1933

That account of the Battle of Jutland is not strictly accurate.

DENMARK AND GERMANY—THE CONFERENCE.—QUESTION.

Mr Austen Layard

Commons — July 4, 1864

said, in the latter part of the Question the word "occupation" was incorrect. The statement was that there was no "conquest" of Jutland.

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Viscount Curzon

Commons — December 3, 1919

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty when the official account of the Battle of Jutland will be published?

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (OFFICIAL ACCOUNT).

Viscount Curzon

Commons — April 14, 1920

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty when the official account of the Battle of Jutland will be published?

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Viscount Curzon

Commons — October 27, 1920

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty when the official account of the battle of Jutland will be published?

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (HISTORY).

Mr John Mills

Commons — November 1, 1920

Is it not a fact that there is a German version of the battle of Jutland already in existence?

JUTLAND BATTLE (OFFICIAL ACCOUNT).

Viscount Curzon

Written Answers — July 23, 1924

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Admiralty when the official account of the battle of Jutland is to be published?

GERMAN DESTROYERS.

Mr Carlyon Bellairs

Written Answers — June 26, 1919

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty what is the Admiralty estimate or the actual figures as to the loss of German destroyers during the War prior to the Battle of Jutland; and what is believed to

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GERMAN DESTROYERS.

Mr Thomas Macnamara

Written Answers — June 26, 1919

It is estimated that twenty-one German destroyers were lost prior to the Battle of Jutland. About seven German flotillas were present at the Battle of Jutland; a German flotilla when at full strength

LORD STANLEY'S STATEMENT.

Rear-Admiral Sir Murray Sueter

Commons — March 16, 1936

Will the right lion. Gentleman tell the House what happened to the "Marlborough" when she was struck by a torpedo at the battle of Jutland?

DENMARK AND GERMANY.

Mr Edward Law

Lords — May 9, 1864

The noble Earl will perhaps be good enough to tell us on what day the suspension of arms is to commence with regard to Jutland?

NAVAL DISARMAMENT.

Colonel Arthur Lee

Lords — December 6, 1922

Can the noble Marquess give the figures separately of post-Jutland capital ships in the three cases? They are very important.

OFFICIAL NAVAL HISTORY OF THE WAR.

Mr Carlyon Bellairs

Written Answers — March 14, 1919

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty when the first volume of the official naval history of the War will appear; and whether it will include the Battle of Jutland?

OFFICIAL NAVAL HISTORY OF THE WAR.

Mr Thomas Macnamara

Written Answers — March 14, 1919

It is hoped that the first volume of the official naval history of the War will appear before the end of the year. It will not include the Battle of Jutland.

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Viscount Curzon

Commons — October 29, 1919

asked whether the Admiralty inquiry into the battle of Jutland has been completed; and, if so, whether the Report can be published?

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (OFFICIAL ACCOUNT).

Viscount Curzon

Commons — May 21, 1924

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Admiralty when it is proposed to publish the official account of the Battle of Jutland; and what it is proposed to publish?

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (OFFICIAL ACCOUNT).

Viscount Curzon

Commons — May 14, 1924

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Admiralty whether it is proposed to publish the official account of the battle of Jutland?

WAR (OFFICIAL NAVAL HISTORY).

Viscount Curzon

Commons — February 18, 1920

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he can state when the official Naval History of the War and official account of the battle of Jutland will be published; whether the Admiralty have any

 

3.

JUTLAND NAVAL BATTLE.

Mr Bertram Falle

Commons — June 20, 1916

(Private Notice) asked the First Lord of the Admiralty if he can say when Sir John Jellicoe's dispatches on the recent naval fight off Jutland will be published?

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Lieut-Colonel James Craig

Commons — December 8, 1920

As I explained in my reply on the 1st December, the inclusion of Captain Harper's diagrams would be quite outside the scope of the Jutland Papers as promised by the Prime Minister.

HISTORY OF THE WAR.

Mr Carlyon Bellairs

Commons — June 1, 1921

Does that mean that Sir Julian Corbett will have access to Board minutes, such as those on the Battle of Jutland in which each member of the Board commented on that battle?

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (OFFICIAL ACCOUNT).

Viscount Curzon

Commons — November 4, 1920

asked the Prime Minister whether the decision not to publish the official account of the Battle of Jutland can be reconsidered, in view of the clearly expressed desire of the House of Commons and the

WAR OPERATIONS (SCARBOROUGH AND DOGGER BANK).

Commander Hon. Joseph Kenworthy

Commons — November 10, 1920

Is it not just as important in the public interest that some report of those actions should be published as well as of Jutland, especially of the very important cruiser action off the Dogger Bank?

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Mr Carlyon Bellairs

Commons — July 5, 1922

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Admiralty when the. narrative and chart of the Battle of Jutland were sent to Lord Jellicoe; and whether his approval of publication will be telegraphed for?

NAVAL ARMAMENTS.

Viscount Curzon

Commons — May 8, 1924

Is the hon. and gallant Gentleman aware that the lesson of the Battle of Jutland was exactly the contrary of what he is now saying? One lesson was that the armour had completely beaten the gun.

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (OFFICIAL RECORD).

Rear-Admiral Tufton Beamish

Commons — May 4, 1927

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether the decision that the Report on the battle of Jutland, commonly known as the Harper Report, is not to be published can, in view of the uncertainties in

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (HARPER REPORT).

Sir Robert Hamilton

Commons — May 25, 1927

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether the forthcoming Harper Report on Jutland will be published as originally compiled or whether it has been subjected to amendment?

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (OFFICIAL RECORD).

Mr Harry Day

Written Answers — May 18, 1927

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty when the official record of the Battle of Jutland, which was compiled by Rear-Admiral Harper and other officers, will be published?

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JUTLAND NAVAL BATTLE.

HC Deb 20 June 1916 vol 83 cc22-3 22

§ Sir BERTRAM FALLE

(Private Notice) asked the First Lord of the Admiralty if he can say when Sir John Jellicoe's dispatches on the recent naval fight off Jutland will be published?

§ Dr. MACNAMARA

I fear it is not possible to give a date, as Sir John Jellicoe's dispatches have not yet been received at the Admiralty.

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§ Sir B. FALLE

(by Private Notice) asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Admiralty if any additional emolument or reward will be given to the widows and orphans of the men who lost their Jives in the recent naval fight off Jutland?

§ Dr. MACNAMARA

The dependants of the men who lost their lives in this action will be treated in the same way as those of other men who are killed as the result of naval operations.  MY COMMENT: For 1916 [indeed at any time] the payments were not generous but they were infinitely better than most civilians received when they were left without a bread winner. Typically, the widow of a  CPO who was drowned, say, having five children [almost the norm in those days], would for herself receive a weekly pension of 9 shillings, 5 from the Royal Hospital Greenwich fund and 4s from Admiralty coffers plus 2s for each child, a total of £1.7.0d per week, which was above the poverty line so many people from late Victorian, through Edwardian and into early George V reign years had to survive on.

 

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JUTLAND BATTLE CHART.

HL Deb 27 March 1923 vol 53 cc675-6 675

§ LORD SYDENHAM

My Lords, I wish to ask His Majesty's Government if they can say when the official chart of the battle of Jutland will be made available to the public, and whether a memorandum by the Naval War Staff will accompany the chart?

THE CIVIL LORD OF THE ADMIRALTY (THE MARQUESS OF LINLITHGOW)

My Lords, the diagrams of the battle of Jutland will be accompanied, when published, by a complete narrative by the Naval Staff. Work on this 676 narrative is now in progress, and publication may be expected in a few months.

 

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JUTLAND NAVAL BATTLE.

HC Deb 22 June 1916 vol 83 cc302-3 302

§ 54. Mr. R. McNEILL

asked the Prime Minister whether his attention has been called to an article published in the "Daily News," on the 3rd June, in which the naval battle of Jutland was described as the greatest disaster to the British arms; whether this article was submitted to and passed by the Censor; and, if not, having regard to the discouragement and depression which such an estimate of the results of the action would be likely to create in the public mind, why the paper guilty of publishing it has not been suspended, as was done in the case of the "Globe" newspaper for a less serious offence?

Mr. SAMUEL

The Prime Minister has asked me to reply to this question. The article was not submitted to the Press Bureau. It was based on the first information relating to the naval battle that came to hand, and in addition to the opinion quoted, not quite accurately, in the question, expressed the view that the facts as then known were unwelcome but afforded no ground for pessimism or depression. There was no case for proceedings against the newspaper.

§ Mr. McNEILL

Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that the expression used in the question was actually in the article, and does he not think this hasty step on the part of the newspaper ought to be dealt with very severely?

Mr. SAMUEL

The hon. Member has not quite correctly quoted the article, but very nearly, and there is no point of substance in the difference. I am afraid a great many people when they received the first news of the naval battle took a somewhat depressed view of the facts, but I do not think the Government would be justified in prosecuting or suppressing this newspaper for the article in question.

§ Mr. McNEILL

Does the right hon. Gentleman not appreciate the fact that this opinion was quoted all over Europe?

§ Mr. PRINGLE

Is any action being taken with regard to the author of the original Official Report?

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§ 96. Mr. BIGLAND

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty if he is yet in a position to give the names of the German battleships, battle cruisers, and light cruisers, and the number of their smaller war vessels sunk during the action of 31st May and 1st June in the North Sea, or in the course of their attempt to reach harbour; and, if so, whether he will now state the names and numbers accordingly?

§ The PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY to the ADMIRALTY (Dr. Macnamara)

It is not possible to define the full extent of the German losses in the naval action off the coast of Jutland, but the Admiralty have no reason to modify the estimate contained in the official communiquι published on the 5th June

7.

NAVAL DISARMAMENT.

Lords — December 6, 1922

Japan is allowed ten capital ships, of which two are post-Jutland, the "Mutsu" and the "Nagato," and six are of 30,600 tons or more. It was the disastrous Dreadnought policy of 1905 which first

NAVAL DISARMAMENT.

Lords — December 6, 1922

The noble Viscount knows that as regards this country thee is one post-Jutland battle cruiser. I have not been provided with any precise analysis of the position of the United States of America

Battle of Jutland (Anniversary)

Mr Julian Critchley

Written Answers — January 19, 1976

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he has any plans to mark the 60th anniversary of the Battle of Jutland which falls on 31st May-lst June this year.

JUTLAND BATTLE CHART.

Mr George Clarke

Lords — March 27, 1923

My Lords, I wish to ask His Majesty's Government if they can say when the official chart of the battle of Jutland will be made available to the public, and whether a memorandum by the Naval War

JUTLAND BATTLE CHART.

Lords — March 27, 1923

My Lords, the diagrams of the battle of Jutland will be accompanied, when published, by a complete narrative by the Naval Staff. Work on this narrative is now in progress, and publication may be

Boy Soldiers

Wing Commander Sir Robert Grant-Ferris

Commons — March 20, 1956

Does my hon. Friend recall that Jack Cornwall was only 16 when he won the Victoria Cross at Jutland? Do the Opposition want us to become a nation of "cissies"? MY COMMENT “Jack Cornwell” not Cornwall!

JUTLAND NAVAL BATTLE.

Mr Bertram Falle

Commons — June 20, 1916

naval fight off Jutland?

JUTLAND NAVAL BATTLE.

Mr Thomas Macnamara

Commons — June 22, 1916

It is not possible to define the full extent of the German losses in the naval action off the coast of Jutland, but the Admiralty have no reason to modify the estimate contained in the official

JUTLAND BATTLE (PROMOTIONS).

Mr John Middlemore

Commons — November 15, 1916

asked what was the total number of chief warrant officers, warrant officers, petty officers, and men mentioned in dispatches and reports for their services in the battle of Jutland Bank; and what is

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Viscount Curzon

Commons — July 9, 1919

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he is now in a position to state when Captain Harper's investigation into the Battle of Jutland will be completed; and, if so, will the Report be

8.

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Mr Walter Long

Written Answers — July 25, 1919

As the official record of the Battle of Jutland is now being compiled by an officer especially detailed for the purpose (Captain Harper), it is considered undesirable to publish portions in advance

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Mr Walter Long

Written Answers — July 24, 1919

A full report of the Battle of Jutland will be published in due course: the hon. and gallant Member will then be able to study the problem as a whole. which will afford him a better view than by

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (DESCRIPTIVE ACCOUNT).

Commander Hon. Joseph Kenworthy

Commons — June 23, 1920

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty when the descriptive account of the battle of Jutland brought out by the Harper Committee will be published; and what has been the total expenses of the

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Commander Hon. Joseph Kenworthy

Commons — December 8, 1920

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether the full Report of the Harper Committee on the Battle of Jutland has been supplied to the Royal Naval Staff College for the use of officer-students and

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Mr Thomas Adair

Commons — December 8, 1920

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether, amongst other documents relating to the battle of Jutland, he will publish the accounts given by the gunnery officer of the "Derfflinger" of his

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (NAVAL STUDY).

Viscount Curzon

Commons — December 1, 1920

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether, when the Report of the Battle of Jutland is published, he will arrange to include the charts which accompanied the Harper Report and which show the

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Mr Walter Long

Commons — October 29, 1919

No "Admiralty inquiry" has been held into the battle of Jutland, nor is such an inquiry in contemplation. A narrative of events, however, has just been completed, and will be published when printed.

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (OFFICIAL ACCOUNT).

Viscount Curzon

Commons — April 14, 1920

Is the hon. and gallant Gentleman aware that the First Lord of the Admiralty stated that this account of the Battle of Jutland would be published about a month after the first volume of the History

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Viscount Curzon

Commons — November 15, 1920

asked the Prime Minister whether he is in a position to state when the official account of the battle of Jutland will be published; and if he can give an assurance that Sir Julian Corbett will have

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (OFFICIAL ACCOUNT).

Mr David Lloyd George

Commons — November 4, 1920

In view of the general wish expressed on Monday for the immediate publication of documents relating to the Battle of Jutland, a Parliamentary Paper will be issued at an early date containing all

 

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BATTLE OF JUTLAND (HISTORY).

Mr George Lambert

Commons — November 1, 1920

Is Sir Julian Corbett, therefore, to be the referee in this matter? Is he deciding what shall be put into the history as regards the battle of Jutland? Cannot we have from the Admiralty its

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Viscount Curzon

Commons — November 17, 1920

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether the official German account of the battle of Jutland has yet been published; and, if not, can steps be taken to include it in the publication of the

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (TORPEDOES).

Lieut-Colonel Leo Amery

Commons — April 6, 1921

The numbers of torpedoes fired from battleships and battle-cruisers, respectively, during the battle of Jutland were five and seven. It is not in the public interest to give the further information

JUTLAND BATTLE (OFFICIAL ACCOUNT).

Mr Carlyon Bellairs

Commons — December 6, 1922

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty when the official account of the battle of Jutland is to be issued; and whether Lord Jellicoe has agreed to its issue, without alteration, as it was sent to him

NAVAL ARMAMENTS (WASHINGTON TREATY).

Viscount Curzon

Commons — December 6, 1922

battle of Jutland, if the Washington Treaty is ratified and if the Washington Treaty is not ratified?

JUTLAND BATTLE (SCHOOL TEXT BOOKS).

Commons — August 1, 1923

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the concluding paragraph in the "Encyclopaedia Britannica" states that "The Battle of Jutland taken by itself must rank merely as a great and unique

JUTLAND BATTLE (NARRATIVE).

Mr Carlyon Bellairs

Written Answers — July 25, 1923

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he is now in a position to state that the delays in the issue of the War Staff narrative of the Battle of Jutland have been surmounted; and on what date

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (DIAGRAMS).

Commander Hon. Joseph Kenworthy

Commons — June 20, 1927

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty why the diagrams prepared by the Harper Committee have not been reproduced with Cmd. 2870, Record of the Battle of Jutland; and whether they will be made

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (HARPER REPORT).

Mr Neil Maclean

Written Answers — May 30, 1927

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty when it is intended to publish Admiral Harper's Report on the Battle of Jutland; whether it is to be published in its original form; and the reasons for the

GERMAN ADMIRALTY RECORDS (BATTLE OF JUTLAND)

Mr Albert Alexander

Written Answers — July 15, 1946

There are voluminous records of the 1914–18 War, including the Battle of Jutland, in the archives of the German Admiralty. Because of the preoccupation of historical staffs with more recent history

 

10,

LOSS OF HIS MAJESTY'S SHIP "HOOD."

Major-General Sir Alfred Knox

Commons — June 11, 1941

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty if he is able to state whether the "Hood" was lost owing to the same defect in construction, or lack of armament, as the battle cruiser at Jutland; and whether

DENMARK AND GERMANY.

Lord John Russell

Lords — May 9, 1864

The question was between a suspension of arms and an armistice. The Allied Powers agreed to a proposition made in Conference by which Jutland would have been evacuated by the Germans, and Alsen by

WAR SITUATION.

Major-General Sir Alfred Knox

Commons — May 27, 1941

In view of the effect produced on Lord Beatty's battle cruisers at the Battle of Jutland, may I ask whether, when the "Hood" was withdrawn for overhaul, she got special equipment— additional armour

GERMAN ADMIRALTY RECORDS (BATTLE OF JUTLAND)

Mr Ronald Ross

Written Answers — July 15, 1946

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether any information as to the naval side of the war of 1914–18, especially with reference to the Battle of Jutland, has been discovered in German Admiralty

THE BATTLE OF JUTLAND BANK.

Marquess of Granby

Lords — July 18, 1916

officers and men of the Grand Fleet for the victory obtained by them at the Battle of Jutland Bank.

NAVAL DISARMAMENT.

Lords — December 6, 1922

at the present time is the offensive power and the nature of the design of the ships which are allowed to be retained under the terms of the Treaty. The battle of Jutland, with the terrible tragedy

NAVAL DISARMAMENT.

Lords — December 6, 1922

How do we stand at the present moment in this important respect? We have only one ship, the "Hood," which is of 41,200 tons and was classed at Washington as post-Jutland. The great size of the "Hood

BATTLE OF JUTLAND TRACK CHARTS.

Mr George Clarke

Lords — March 2, 1922

My Lords, I desire to ask the First Lord of the Admiralty when the track charts illustrating the Battle of Jutland, which it was stated on March 8 last would be "revised and issued under the

Danish Technology Institutes

Mr Paul Flynn

Written Answers — May 8, 1990

friendly technology and (b) the Jutland technological institute, Denmark, to discuss product substitution and design for environmental improvement.

HMS "Ajax"

Mr Joseph Pease

Lords — May 24, 1984

over 200 years, and which has been involved in battles such as Trafalgar, Jutland, and the River Plate?

 

11.

JUTLAND BATTLE.

Mr Carlyon Bellairs

Written Answers — December 22, 1916

torpedoed two modern German battleships off the coast of Jutland, and any further information?

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (OFFICIAL REPORT).

Viscount Curzon

Commons — March 26, 1919

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty if he can indicate the names and rank of the officers who are inquiring into and compiling the official Report of the Battle of Jutland; will the evidence of

WAR (OFFICIAL NAVAL HISTORY).

Mr Carlyon Bellairs

Commons — February 18, 1920

Can my right hon. Friend say in what way Captain Harper has been most unfairly attacked, and where anybody has said that he is not fully qualified to produce a narrative of the battle of Jutland

JUTLAND BATTLE (GERMAN BOOK).

Mr Thomas Adair

Written Answers — February 17, 1920

of Jutland; and whether this book or a translation of it could be obtained and issued to the Fleet?

OFFICIAL NAVAL HISTORY OF WAR.

Mr Thomas Macnamara

Commons — May 14, 1919

would appear before the end of the year. That volume would not include the Battle of Jutland.

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Mr Carlyon Bellairs

Commons — May 28, 1919

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty, in view of the fact that the exact times at which ships passed the wreck. of the "Invincible" at the battle of Jutland Bank being known, whether he will state

"GOEBEN" (ADMIRALTY INSTRUCTIONS).

Mr Walter Long

Written Answers — May 8, 1919

Coronel and Jutland battles, I do not think the time has yet come to publish the Papers. The whole matter is under consideration.

BATTLE OF JUTLAND (HISTORY).

Mr George Lambert

Commons — November 1, 1920

May I ask why it is that the Admiralty have gone back on their decision to publish the official report of this Battle of Jutland, which is a most important thing to have, and whether we cannot have

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Viscount Curzon

Commons — November 8, 1920

Harwich forces prior to the battle of Jutland, and the operation orders for the 31st of May, 1916, will be included in the publication of the official Report of the action?

BATTLE OF JUTLAND.

Viscount Curzon

Commons — November 17, 1920

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether the Government are in possession of photographs of the damage to German ships inflicted during the Battle of Jut-land; and, if so, whether they can be

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Jutland up to 46 pages

At this point much has been said and very little accepted or given towards a resolution of the [thought of] Jutland failure!